How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

Why can’t conservatives accept the fact that they are stupid?

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

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Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

What are the causes of over sweating?

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

Teens like me, what are your expectations when entering adulthood?

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

Why are white men so obsessed with Asian women? I'm friends with people from all different backgrounds but I never see my other non-white male friends obsess over or talk about Asian women like I've seen the white ones do.

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

If my boyfriend watches porn, does it mean he doesn’t think I’m good enough? If I am good enough, why does he still watch? Am I not beautiful enough?

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Kabir (a weaver)

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Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Now here in this verse

Why do only ugly women like me on Tinder? Is it because I'm an ugly man?

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

What happens when your partner doesn't see the value in you and continuously hurts you by searching for something in others knowing it hurts you?

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

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I am like a fish out of water,

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

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Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

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One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

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For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

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NOW…

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Sain (a barber)

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

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— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

CONCLUSION:

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

then who is there to know what happens without?

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥